you have republicans saying the pentagon budget can be cut without jeopardizing national security. not all of them. you have people like john mccain -- describe the fall but a lot of republicans, privately and publicly, saying that there is room to cut the -- >> as long as you don't -- as long as you hold harmless with everything that deals with troop readiness, that deals with troops on the front lines and military families but there's plenty of room in the procurement budgets, there's plenty of room for reforms and for -- >> i want to come to that in a second, but the problem will be, i think for the white house, broadly and for the country is the point that congressman ellison makes, you hit the sequester right now, that is goign to have a real economic impact right away. >> absolutely, absolutely, and i think you'll hear the president most likely talk about that on tuesday night, tuesday night. we can't have any more self-inflicted wounds on the economy. the economy is poised to take off. if we do the right things. having massive across-the-board cuts to some critical programs